sorry, i messed up before i could put the right title on this new light from our circuit overseer, his visit show's a great desperation in the organization's mindset, adding more anxiety and guilt to jws who already feel they don't measure up!.
hi, i attended the circuit overseers visit and got really angry because our c.o.
gave information coming from the governing body's chief apologists regarding "meeting attendance" and "the couple who missed one meeting and lost their entire family because they did not get the "411" when armageddon was coming!
One congregation I attended for years had an elder with a job requiring three shifts. Days, evenings and graveyard. He missed two weeks out of six Ministry School, Service Meeting and Book study for decades. Everyone knew he was so under qualified, with no jobs skills to go looking for new employment that no one ever said anything. He had a good paying job, took care of his family and did not miss meetings when off work.
I wonder how the s--t storm from this CO would go over in that hall.
we hear of children as young as eight being baptized.
the governing body have tried making twelve year olds feel guilty about not being baptized.
being as the society has encouraged [pushed] young ones to be baptized, it apparently has taken a 'keen interest' in the spiritual health and eternal welfare of the child.
We hear of children as young as eight being baptized. The Governing Body have tried making twelve year olds feel guilty about not being baptized. Being as the Society has encouraged [pushed] young ones to be baptized, it apparently has taken a 'keen interest' in the spiritual health and eternal welfare of the child. How far does this 'keen interest' go?
- What consequences would result for the family if the father and mother were both disfellowshipped?
- How would the elders maintain contact with the child, or would they even care?
- Would they just write the child off as collateral damage?
there is ample evidence of the jw organizations being deceptive (for example, misusing quotes in publications such as the trinity brochure and the creation book), but a few years ago i noticed one glaring example of deception that is worth noting..
part #4 for the theocratic ministry school for the week of july 21, 2008 was how can false prophets be identified?
the material was the reasoning book beginning on page 132 (there was a similar service meeting part the week of 8-26-13)..
I agree. Another one which disturbs me is the 'Millions now living will never die' subject first brought to the public in 1918,
" ... A public talk titled "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living May Never Die" was first delivered on February 24, 1918 in Los Angeles, California. Five weeks later, on March 31, 1918 the title was changed to indicate absolute certainty: "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living Will Never Die." The public talk continued to be delivered under that same title until 1925..."
A short five weeks later the wording was changed to a more 'accurate' understanding, as the light was getting brighter and brighter. Now we go to the jw.org library and look at the WT of Feb 15, 2015, in the article 'The Spirit and the Bride Keep On Saying: ‘Come!’ par 8, their '21st century words' say the following:
"...The anointed followers of Christ have been extending the invitation since as far back as 1918. In that year, the public talk entitled “Millions Now Living May Never Die” offered hope that many will gain life in a paradise earth after the battle of Armageddon. A talk given at the convention of Bible Students at Cedar Point, Ohio, U.S.A., in 1922 urged listeners to ‘advertise the King and his kingdom.’ This appeal helped the remnant of the bride class to reach more people with the invitation. In 1929, the March 15 issue of The Watchtower contained an article entitled “Gracious Invitation,” with Revelation 22:17 as its theme text. In part, the article stated: “The faithful remnant class join [the Most High] in the gracious invitation and say, ‘Come.’ This message is to be proclaimed to those who have a desire for righteousness and truth. It must be done now.” To this day, the bride class continues to extend that invitation..."
Now it is true that the initial heading did say 'may', however, an honest and truthful recounting of this important subject would have noted the change.
This is what really frosts me about the Watchtower and their '21st century words'. Covering over, ignoring and intentionally disregarding important historical facts. They would be view as more honourable purveyors of history if they owned up to these facts. The effect is to stain everything they say, causing honest researchers to wonder if anything they say it truthful. The result is that, instead of people looking to their words for guidance, they closely examine everything to see if more untruths or deceptive words can be found. It is certainly doing a disservice to honest students of history.
What is further annoying is the extent the Society will go to to prove the 607 and 1914 dates, squeezing, massaging and manipulating every drop of evidence out of every scripture and historical account. Blatant covering over modern day historical facts brings a measure of guilt and adds to their accountability.
if the watchtower society received an envelope containing a cheque for 1 million dollars, made out to the society, along with a letter explaining that the money was won from gambling, either casino or lottery, .
1] would they cash it?.
2] if they did not cash it but rather returned to sender, what explanation would they give?.
If the Watchtower Society received an envelope containing a cheque for 1 million dollars, made out to the Society, along with a letter explaining that the money was won from gambling, either casino or lottery,
1] would they cash it?
2] If they did not cash it but rather returned to sender, what explanation would they give?
3] If they did cash it, what explanation would they give to justify it?
the international pink elephant committee has just awarded the 'watchtower society' the 'pink elephant' award for 2014. .
the committee's press release stated, in part;.
'... usually our ten committee members have to research a number of organizations to determine which one will receive the yearly award.
The 2014 'Pink Elephant Award' is being very well received by members of the 'Watchtower Society'.
Members of the Governing Body, Bethel workers and Pioneers doing 'street cart witnessing' have all eagerly embraced the award. Many are displaying it publicly, as they go about their preaching work, saying that 'it shows we are #1.'
the international pink elephant committee has just awarded the 'watchtower society' the 'pink elephant' award for 2014. .
the committee's press release stated, in part;.
'... usually our ten committee members have to research a number of organizations to determine which one will receive the yearly award.
This just in:
The International Pink Elephant Committee has just awarded the 'Watchtower Society' the 'PINK ELEPHANT' award for 2014.
The committee's press release stated, in part;
'... usually our ten committee members have to research a number of organizations to determine which one will receive the yearly award. In past years the Watchtower Society has been a close runner-up, but never quite qualified for the top prize. However, this year the committee was unanimous in deciding in favor of the 'Watchtower Society'.
As everyone already knows, the award goes to the organization which best displays the ability to 'ignore the elephant in the middle of the room'. There are a number of criteria to be examined before a winner is announced. The 'Watchtower Society' met these criteria to a higher degree than any other group, business, government or organization. Some of these factors include
- ignoring statements it has made in the past, especially in print. Among these are; discouraging members from having anything to do with the Internet, while in 2014, encouraging as many people as possible to view the jw.org site. This has been promoted with lapel pins, logo's on sign boards, on the sides of buses and in the printed literature. Members that were previously told to, in effect, shun the internet, are now directed to lead people to the Internet site.
- cover-up of cases of children who have been sexually molested by members of the 'Watchtower Society', many times under the cloud of protective silence promoted by the organization. At times, it has even made threats of disfellowshipping and shunning ones who reveal such conduct. Even as evidence is presented to the 'Watchtower Society', it has the ability to act as if the events did not happen.
- the ability to ignore its historical foundations, such as most events and publications from 1874 to 1999, while cherry- picking small clips and quotes from the past, to promote present day teachings....'
In honour of the Pink Elephant Award for 2014, the Pink Elephant logo has been incorporated together with the jw.org logo to create a unique logo that will be used to identify the Watchtower Society from all previous Pink Elephant Award winners. The committee feels it is well deserved, as the 'Watchtower Society' has shown unprecedented ability to,
' IGNORE THE ELEPHANT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM'
now that enough time has passed and i've moved away, i think i'm overdue to share some of the stories from my fade.
i've mentioned some of this before, but i think it deserves its own thread.. we all would like to be able to freely ask questions about jw beliefs and get our family and friends to really think about certain questions.
however, when you're a baptized jw, you really can't ask any good questions or you'll get the "apostate" label slapped on you!
at bluesbrothers topic, .
watchtower study today jan 4 2015 , fallacious reasoning (issue nov 15 2014),.
millie210 made the following comment: .
At BluesBrothers topic,
Watchtower Study today Jan 4 2015 , Fallacious Reasoning (issue Nov 15 2014),
millie210 made the following comment:
'...One of my favorite things on this forum is when someone dissects the study article on Sunday.
Given that they have a collective brain trust of writers formulating these articles, you are so right, that they ought to do better...'
This brings to light the effectiveness of a collection of people contributing to a subject. " In a multitude of counselors there is much wisdom." Prov 11:14. I understand the argument that this is talking about receiving advice from godly people, however, the principle of using the minds of others to more correctly understand something or to expand a persons knowledge of a subject can also be supported by this proverb. The modern day equivalent would be,' two heads are better than one'.
Therefore, an astute JW could come to this site and ask for assistance in locating a publication or quote from a publication on just about any subject and various members on this site would be more than happy to help them find it. They may add their personal comments, which may cast the society in an unfavourable light, however, the JW could merely ignore their comments and benefit from the research of the contributing members. If i was an active JW, I would be requesting all kinds of information regarding subjects of my studies. I have no doubt that many members would forward worthwhile information to me.
For JW's reading this pay attention. You have your own, free, research department right here.
